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Griff:

Thanks for serving in Nam and coming back. I do think our ancestors did much the same thing as you skinny Marines. They had very heavy carries either of killed prey, gathered plants, or possessions as they moved camp. 20 year olds tend to be pretty strong anyway; real world strong, not weight lifter strong. But, a man can become stronger through life, up to his 40s or 50s.

Heavy carries make you very strong; I love to walk/hike with a grandchild on my back or, now that they can walk themselves, with scuba weights around my waist.

There are stories about the heavy carries Indians were capable of in the US frontier. They carried pemmican packs weighing about a 100 pounds over very long treks.

Prof. De Vany,
A word about "infantry fitness".
I spent my 19th year as a marine grunt in VietNam. No Rambos, no John Wayne, just a bunch of skinny 19-20 year olds with guns and a really crappy job, which we sometimes gloried in. But mostly we never bought into the tough guy stuff.
Anyway,we did do a lot of brutal hikes over rough terrain with heavy packs. Not every day. Our squad movements done daily were not so physically strenuous. At the end of each heavy "hump" with packs and ammo, we would usually dig some really deep holes for the night perimiter. I imagine the Romans did much the same. We were mostly thin, but really strong, for not lifting weights.
Any thoughts?
Griff

..yup. And we reached an accord and i'd hope thats always a good thing. Thanks

Sorry Simon, I guess I did. I looked at the photo and saw what is probably a warrior who has seen the horrors of war in his country for more than a decade. He is not dressed to emulate some Hollywood actor but is dressed to address the climate conditions on the battlefront. Chances are very good that he has absolutely no idea who "Rambo" is. His battlefield dress is not the problem, Hollywood's glorification of war in movies like the Rambo series, is.

Kevin I will arrogantly say that i likely have more large predator research and viewing experience than yourself; in Botswana, Namibia and with Dr Laurence Frank in Kenyas Laikipia region.

What you say is a given of course.You accordingly, it seems, missed my point entirely.

..those facts are not in dispute.
That you bring them up suggests you missed my point entirely.

Better to be the most decorated sniper than a dead sniper.

Humans are territorial pedators that have made war on each other since the beginning of time. You most likely would not be reading ths but for the fact that some direct ancestor of yours decided to kill and not be killed. It might not be to your liking but it's a fact.

Part of an "evolutionary fitness" regime should be a physical conditioning routine that would allow you to overcome not only your prey but fellow humans that would compete with you for food.

.. and would you want to be known thus ?

The most bizarre and telling thing for me, akin to the Nazi camp guard rhetoric one reads, was him saying matter of factly it was his job and that was that. Never thought any more about it.
Bit like Bush saying yesterday 'the price is worth it'. Blair has said similar.
Go lead the army into battle and then say things like this.
Chilling in its implications'esp if you're one of the youngsters doing the politicians bidding with your life .

Great photo.
Carlos the most decorated snipper of the vietnam war.
Barry

..sorry, Carlos Hathcock

The Rambo look..its the very thing that African rebels do with shades,Bosnia the same, The Shining Path,Brit SAS....the contemporary warrior thus adorned.
I think its deeply sad vis the context it occurs in.
Seems that only after they've seen their fellows killed and maimed do many finally come to that awful conclusion that war isn't anything to glamorize, despite all that it can confer to the winners..individ. and collective.
Many seemingly don't.
Carlos Hapcock seemed proud to his dying day of the folks he'd offed with his snipers rifle.

It's one of the main things that makes me embarrased to be human; our love of violence and how we displace it.
If anybody out there ever goes to Cape Town please go to the Holocaust Museum.

Anybody listen to the immigration case today of the Rwanandan living in Canada since 92 i think ?To hear his hate speech vis cutting other peoples throats..bloody hell.
Literally, bloody hell

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