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Fortunately, handguns often work to prevent crime without a shot ever being fired. Criminals are scum, but they're capable of cost-benefit analysis.

In the case of a meth fiend, I'd just shoot until he dropped. If that took the whole cartridge, so be it.

- Josh

Thanks for that information on stopping power Matt. And, it is nice to see my comment on leaving an opening has a distinguished predecessor. Although the point is pretty obvious.

It turns out that the military finds that it is easier to capture a foe when he is on open ground. It is very hard once they are dug in.

Mental life is that way too. When I was foreman of a jury some time ago I made sure that we went over all the issues in some kind of logical order before anyone expressed an opinion. Once they do that, they are in their foxhole and they are hard to get out.

I did a little reading on Stopping Power, and it's shocking how not-lethal a handgun is: fatal about 5 percent of the time.

Sun-Tzu's advice may not have been written with meth-users and health care in mind, but it applies:

When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

However, if "the other side" did exist then the pursuit and application of science would be at best playing with creation in ignorance of the Creator.

For example, it's one thing to have a cosmetic measure of knowledge about the moon but is quite another thing to know the One who created it...

Science is based on cause and effect, and most of the scientific community has accepted the big bang. So what was the cause and purpose that created the effect of the present?

I believe the stories about PCP are urban myths, no different from earlier stories of cocaine, marijuana, etc.

(Not that a "cornered animal" isn't dangerous.)

Killer Drugs goes into more detail.

Popcorn movies tend to make heroes impossible to kill and "cannon fodder" trivial to kill. Either way, the violence tends to be quite hygienic and quite predictable -- unlike real-life violence, which is messy and random.

Sometimes a single bullet kills someone; sometimes a dozen bullets don't. Sometimes a guy bounces right back to his feet from a "bone-breaking" throw; sometimes he breaks his neck.

For some fascinating accounts of real-life sword fights that went on long past the first touch, check out The Dubious Quick Kill

What an interesting story from our carnivorous canuck as he calls himself. And, I enjoy all these mad movie moments from our readers.

I have little to add because these are all expressed so well. I do think it is fear at work with Meth users because they become so ferocious and wild. They act as though they are in a situation where everything is at stake and, somehow flight is not an option. The cornered animal analogy is perfect and humans are large, powerful animals.

I do think they could be calmed a bit if they could see some way out. In other words, if they could see that they are not cornered. I don't know how to do this, but if they are restrained or enclosed, then watch out. This is the human survival moment and the power of humans is revealed in instances like these. It is truly amazing.

If I were the person in the emergency room I would always leave an open pathway between the meth user and some open space. Let them see an open space. And I would just shoot a dart containing something to put them out so they don't hurt others or themselves. That should probably be done by the police before they are unleashed in the ER.

It is during these moments that humans recruit all their FT muscle fibers, a power reserve none of us come close to fully exploiting. This is the strength reserve for those mothers who lift cars off their children. It is the reserve that dolpins use when they make leaps that baffled scientists for a long time until they did autopsies on dolphins and found huge masses of FT fiber.

FT is the best muscle. I work hard, and easy, to train my FT. Evolutionary Fitness exploits the fight or flight response in a healthy way.

Prizzi's Honor. Jack Nicholson kills Kathleen Turner with a knife from across the room, thrown while laying in bed, before she can shoot him with a gun. Now that's as real as it gets.

"It took Tim Roth most of Resevoir Dogs to die of a gunshot wound."

True. "The Way of the Gun" was also exemplary. Both are in high contrast, however, with offerings such as "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" where, for example, a thrown kitchen knife ends several bad guys.

Prof. De Vany,

My wife is an administrator in a large downtown hospital. Part of her area of responsibility is the emergency ward. Since the hospital is on the fringe of the seediest area in our city most of the drug induced medical emergencies arrive at the her hospital.

The patients that the medical team dread the most are the ones that are on crystal meth. My wife and I have discussed this problem at length on many occaisions and continue to do so. The problem centers around these patient's apparently super-human strength, their utter lack of reticence to use it and their ferocity. In short, they act like cornered animals. The fact that most of them are HIV positive only adds to the risk of the hospital staff.

I used the term "apparently super-human strength." Yet, upon reflection, their strength can only be human and it shows what humans are capable of under duress. Crystal meth does not give people strength; it cannot construct muscle contractile tissue. All it does is act as a catalyst. So, too, adrenaline.

What makes crystal meth so dangerous, though, is not only the super-human strength issue but in the ferociousness of the patient. It obviously acts on the brain in such a way as to negate any sense of self-restraint or conscience. Further, I would say that it induces a state of paranoia which causes great fear in the users, so much so that in their own minds they are fighting for their lives.

As a policeman of our acquaintance said during one of our discussions, "You can shoot the bastards as many times as you want but they keep on coming."

These people, to me, give a sense of the tremendous power and ferocity that may have been available to pre-neolithic hunters.

Would you care to comment, Prof. De Vany?

Art...

Can we assume you aren't a Christian....(yet)?

It took Tim Roth most of Resevoir Dogs to die of a gunshot wound.

Perhaps the most interesting part of movie violence and death is that often characters sustain ridiculous levels of hand to hand violence, but die after a single gunshot or knife wound.

Art, great stuff on movie fights. At least we're not in Jean Claude Van Damme land anymore and even the Batman fights are watchable. Progress but a long way to go. Still, best fight I can remember seeing on screen was Stallone in the jail basement for First Blood. Fear, eye gouging, no knockout shots. At least in Chinese action movies like House of Flying Daggers they don't pretend its real.

Dear Art
Thank you for your post.I liked it.
I'm sure your asked this question all the time
so forgive me if it is repetitious.
Concerning your thougts on the mind dying when the body dies,what are your thoughts on the universe, infinity and eternity and all that
sort of thing.I would be very interested.
Sincerely
Barry

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